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irealy get bent out of shap when i hear mexicans dis thier own hertigage. often times they are hangging out with some white folk when i hear them make fun of people who happen to be bilingual. i hear it more in border towns. i get the impression they are ashamed of being bilingual. is it bad to know another language? the language of your parents or grandparents? can someone pleas tell me why some mexicans dis their own culture, hertiage and lan guage? as if nbeing white, or speaking only english was something to be so damn proud of. bilingual folk make more money on average. they tend and keep a well tuned brain then those folk who are not bilingual. not to mention there is a sexual conponent too. a guy or girl who can speak two languages is just sexier. at least i think so. but, yes asshole mexicans who dis their own background piss me off. if you like english so fucking much and want to be part of the anglo saxon community. move to england. see if you get a warm reception. they would probabley deport you vack to the u.s of a. its like the blind black man who was told he was white. what a disapoinment when he figured out he was realy black. he ended up killi ng himself. just cause he was not white. food for thought. stupid.
It is coming back actually. The brown comunity is one of the fastest growing money wise in the U.S.A, so culture is important as well. MMM sexy girls that can speak spanish? Or is that spanish speaking sexy girls?
I agree. But here's the thing, though. I've observed among my teen acquaintences, that they have spanish speaking parents and they speak english at home. Those are the kids who often have more trouble with their spanish classes than most americans, lol! It's really a shame. As some of you may know, I'm mexican and have been living here a number of years. While I was living with my mother, I spoke English at school, and spanish at home. And honestly I'm not ashamed of my haratige. But it saddens me to here nothing but a bunch of hatred between hispanic people. Which reminds me, a while back I heard someone who was born here but with Mexican parents say that Mexicans are lazy? Say what? Now don't get me wrong, I'm not defending my country, for it has numerous faults. On the other hand, these are people who totally reject their own culture. I guess I'll never fully understand.
I have never heard of this before. But then again I am not in an area that has a significantly large Mexican population as compared to areas like Texas and California. It sounds like some sad high school type attitude where you try to fit in if you ask me. On the flip side, aren't there a lot of Americans who brag about their ethnicity without saying they are American? Interesting food for thought Carlos.
seems like you are only talking about mexicans carlos? it's pritty much all the latinos lol
yo always hablo spanglish! even though the other person doesn't speak spanish ehh?
Whites do it too, saying how blacks have more soul, Asians are smarter, all that.
When I was in college, white kids like us would run around trying to act Asian, or try to say we weren't American when overseas.
Sad but true, part of the human condition I guess. Oh and now we have white kids trying to act all black gangster, while the actual black kids aren't even like that.
People and their culture vulture fantasies.
its been my experience with mexicans and not cubans or puerto ricans. they are very proud of being cuban or p.r. hell in nyc they ha ve a puerto rican parrade! while in miami they have calle ocho! a celebration of all things spanish. so, the grunt i have is with mexicans who dis their culture. again, its my opinion. ask some kids around the zone if they are mexican. some will be all like no, i am american. i dont speak mexican! stupid assholes i tells you. just cause your dad or moms is "american" or "white" doesnt make you part of the gang! you will always be mexican! be proud of being brown. in a perfect world the color of me skin shouldnt matter. but this is not nardia. its the real world. so enbrace who you are and stop being stupid. i wont say who but we have some on here.
Lol. food for thought. I like that.
It is a craze. People in my state would like to speak in English even with their parents. By telling that they are wanting to improve their language. It's in another words, they are killing their own language and being craze with foreign language. It is becoming natural internationally, I say.
Raaj.
The color of your skin may not matter, but I've learned the hard way, your roots do matter, and who you really are does matter, so stand tall and be proud of it. Mexican, Indian, African, European, etc.
Because behind the name is a whole history of what your ancestors did to survive. Historical revisionists and others will always have some high-school-type trends about which color is more popular. But that doesn't change who you are, or what your people did.
Only now have I started to really realize that only after you learn some self-respect for your own kind can you really have appreciation of other groups and what they have suffered. Doing this faking to be another nationality, or mealy-mouthed racial guilt serves absolutely nothing.
And Mexico has a very rich history and a lot of diversity right within itself. You have roots that go back to the Aztecs. Your DNA could contain that of the Great Monteczuma or similar. Every North American, Central American and South American country has a rich but different heritage, and one for which its people should be proud, in my opinion.
Same goes for us of European ancestry, or the long and rich history of India, or Chinese dynasties that go back for over six thousand years, or Japan going back as far as the Jomo peoples.
I'm pretty umpopular these days with some fellow whites for saying this, because they'd rather see culture vulture posturing, or that popular hangdog white guilt look. But I'd say the more you respect where you actually come from, the more you can actually respect others, and appreciate the struggles.
Culture blending is great, but when you blend you still know what the base ingredients are.
I'm going to paraphrase a little from the late great George Carlin here. Pride should be reserved for something that you achieve or attain on your own. Being Mexican isn't a skill, it's a genetic accident! Same with being caucasion, or whatever else.
That is true of pride for one's accomplishments. But maybe rather than pride, one should say respect for heritage. Because though it is a genetic accident, what is no accident is the efforts made by all peoples to maintain cultures and societies in the face of constant warfare, invasions, dominance and struggle. Every society has something to be respectful of within its own group.
That is what I meant by pride.
Agreed with Leo. I'm not taking credit for what my ancestors may have done or created, but I am proud of them, if that makes any sense. Same as being proud of your child when they do something awesome--you're not taking credit, but you're proud of what they've accomplished.
I actually noticed some of this self-hatred when I was growing up in Northern Alberta. It's a very Francophone area (both sides of my family are nearly all French) and while there were the usual francophone zealots who thought speaking English or doing anything to defy French culture was a sin, there were a lot of people my age who weren't proud of it at all. They spoke English because it was "cooler", and got picked on a lot, especially in elementary and middle school. My french is so rusty these days from disuse that I actually feel sad about it. I don't necessarily want to go back to my roots, exactly, but i do feel a sense of loss for the first time in my life. I want some of it back.
You know Gizzy you are right about Cuban's and other latino's stating what they are. I know some Mexicans that are light, so just say they are white. I know the family, so.
But as pointed out, I guess it is just human.
Light blacks do the same thing.
I think the reason behind it is color of skin does matter. Jobs, relationships, where you can live, just lots of things.
but mexicans have to much pride. they think the rest of us latinos are below them...
I see both sides of the coin. I understand being proud of where you're from, but at the same time I hate the term "where you're from". Cuz, lets face it, you aren't from there. Now, if you're an immigrant the situation is different.
I'm of german and irish ancestry though, and while I'm sorta proud I suppose, and I don't deny the heritage, I don't go to octoberfest and start blathering on in German. I'm an American. I don't think you should condemn people for wanting to be American, or Canadian in Meglet's case.
You have a really interesting point actually. It's one thing to embrace the culture you actually have (that is, the one which has surrounded you and your family from birth). I and my family speak French because our parents and grandparents did, so it's still very much a part of my Canadian culture. But I don't think of myself as French-from-France, or even French-from-Quebec, because that's not where I'm from. I've never even been to either of those places, and while my family does embrace certain French traditions and bits of culture, we're stilll mostly just regular Canadians. I have a bit of Scottish in me too, and I don't identify as Scottish at all. That'd be silly.
Mexicans do have an issue with pride though. As the Barney said, they tend to look down on the rest of Latinos. Pendejos.
Definitely a good point still though pinche carlos.
Interesting topic. I live in an area with a lot of Hispanic people. Hispanic parents, teens, kids. It was like my old high school was full of Spanish speakers. And I can't say I've heard of any of this. Most of them will defend their ethnicity and the language that comes with it. Perhaps it is something so that they can fit in? Is this more with teens?
I like this topic, outside of the color aspect of it, you could probly toss in where there born and how long they lived at set place. I live in NC Raleigh but in no way will I say I am a "going to kill this spelling so bare with me" "newth caralinian". My burth place is Houston Texas all day everyday.
Well, look at me for instance Carlos... I am full Japanese but, I can identify
more with the hispanic culture because of where I was brought up. From a
young age, I was raised around mostly Spanish speaking children although it
was a smattering of us Asians in there. I only heard of my own heritage from
my grandparents growing up but was raised in a westerner type fashion. I spoke
nearly fluent Spanish for most of my K-through 12th grade years. Though, I
dont bash my Japanese heritage as I am proud to be Japanese, I find it harder
for me to identify myself with my own culture because I was never really
exposed to it other than what my family taught me other than the past 3
generations of my family are from Honolulu, Hawaii. I am a product of my
environment as everyone else is. There are people out there that are self haters
when it comes to their blood line but the problem with that is, they were
brought up around people that felt that way about certain people. Products of
their environment. I was involved in the gang culture as you know and i dressed
like the cholos because that was what I was brought up with etc... I embrace
my heritage these days and wish that I was taught more of it, I studied
Japanese on my own as the language was stopped in my family for 2
generations before me. My point really is that, it isn't just Hispanics, it's
everywhere. Products of our environments.
Sure. I'd agree with that.
I'm also a products of my environment.
I'm not Latin, but understand the last post.